for their generous contribution of
the following:
An Online Chat With
Karla Turner
Second series: part
3
(During the chat Karla 's nickname
is: "ThunderK")
4/19/95 6:22:04 PM Opening "KT Class 2 Log
4.19.95" for recording.
Course TA : Hi Mike. we're talking about Oklahoma City.
ThunderK : Hello, everyone.
Course TA : Hi Karla.
ThunderK : I found it hard to tear myself away from the TV news
especially earlier, when announcements about FEMA's deployment were
made. ga
Violet4u : Fine evening
UFO ll : does anyone think its connected w/ the world trade
center
Violet4u : Iranian, but will wait to hear more news?
Phikent : Hi, sorry I missed last week due to kids and sping
break
ThunderK : Glad you're here tonight, anyway.
ISCNIMikeL : Greetings, all. Just stepped out momentarily to start a
log. Hi, Karla! ga
ThunderK : OK. First, though, let's wait maybe two more minutes for
anyone else to arrive. And I want to thank those of you who responded
to the material in the folder...
Course TA : I think we're all kind of stressed out today because of
Oklahoma City
ThunderK : Yes, I agree...
JONWIL : 'Evening, Karla et al.
ThunderK : This type of scenario is much too familiar and has such
echoes in many of the fringe rumors we have to live with in this
field. Back to the folder, if I may. Has there been much chat about
this event in any of our postings? ga
ISCNIMikeL : SOrry, Karla, not sure I understand your question.
ga
ThunderK : Never mind, then...
Phikent : In my book the biggest news is the lack of news about
Mexico sightings. ga
ThunderK : I was thinking of your recent class topic, Michael, about
govt. issues. BTW, we're again under a storm/tornado watch in this
area and I could disappear at any moment...
ThunderK : It's time to begin things now...
ISCNIMikeL : Karla, if you suddenly go off-line, we'll try to
hold
the fort, but please come back soon so we know you weren't blown away
in a tornado! :-) ga
ThunderK : OK. On with the show. If there are some changes occurring
that affect our perceptions both externally and internally what
mental or brain functions do you think might be involved and/or
changed, too? Any responses? ga
ISCNIMikeL : ?
ThunderK : Yes, Michael.ga
ISCNIMikeL : Any work done on possible hypothalamus effects?
ThunderK : Not that I'm aware of, but the subject was also raised in
our folder. I had hoped that you might know more about funding and
research projects! ga
WhteLotus1 : !
ThunderK : Can you explain about these effects, Michael? ga
ISCNIMikeL : Obviously, the whole endocrine system remains laregly
mysterious to medical science, and could be hugely implicated in the
"internal and external" effects you mention but no, I myself have no
knowledge, and wonder who does. There are so many fruitful avenues of
possible research that have never been tried. ga
ThunderK : I agree! What specific effects could be involved with that
system? ga
ISCNIMikeL : Are you asking me to speculate?
ThunderK : If you know more, please fill us in. ga
ISCNIMikeL : Hormones change consciousness. That is easily
demonstrated. Neurotransmitters interact with hormones to produce
prodigious effects of evidently "paranormal" abilities and it is not
hard to imagine that an advanced race of beings would understand
relatively simple and straightforward ways of manipulating the
production
of neurotransmitters etc. But this is just a guess. ga
ThunderK : Great! Thanks...
ThunderK : And the abductors do often make vague references to
changing 'enzymes' or 'energies' or 'blood' etc. so that it should be
something testable in medical terms. WhiteLotus, ga
WhteLotus1 : With the shift in perspective, there is a raising of
energy from the medula to the third eye and crown areas of the
head/mind.ga
ThunderK : What parts of the brain are involved in this, do you know?
Also, what sort of energy is raised? ga
WhteLotus1 : well...the pineal esoteric little thing that it
is...<grin> and the energy would involve the kundalini. ga
ThunderK : OK, thanks, although I admit to knowing very little about
kundalini explanations. Toney, I think you're next. ga
Toneyterry : How about our perceptions of the aliens as being here
for our good./Screen memories galore! How can we trust anything
reported in these encounters considering thie ability to alter our
perceptions in these scenerios.ga
(Ed. note: Take a very careful mental note of Karlas' next response,
it's a -vitally- important piece of information! Something we should
-always- bear in mind in our own personal investigations. JV)
ThunderK : A tough question. I don't think we CAN trust much of the
reported info, to be honest without some method of external
observation and thorough investigation. But we can look at certain
data that supports the idea of technological intrusions into the
brains of abductees and look at what these affected areas are doing,
in terms of overall brain function. For instance, the brain stem
really has more control over brain activity than the medulla or the
cerebral cortex and some of the abduction data points clearly to
implants in this area. I'll say more about this in a moment, but
Kent, I think you also have a comment. ga
(Pure Gold! File it away. JV)
Phikent : I'm not sure of physiological definitions but, External
energy (quickening) sources seems to transform the whole body into a
thinking-perceiving mechanism with synesthesia and a kind of "whole"
perception. ga
ThunderK : Please relate this to the abduction experience and/or the
transformation theory. ga
Phikent : I think these two experiences might be connected. ga
ThunderK : How? ga
Phikent : Okay . When stimulated I think one begins to move through
doors such doors reveal entities of different levels. Thus an
abduction may be nothing morte than an "entry" ga
ThunderK : An entry of the entities? Or the abductee's entry into
something else? ga
Phikent : The human enters their space or becomes capable thereof.
ga
ThunderK : Yes, Violet, ga
Violet4u : How would the back of the head be stimulated?
ThunderK : More, Violet? ga
Violet4u : I wish i knew...
ThunderK : I meant, was there more to your comment. I didn't see a
'ga' at the end. ga
ThunderK : If you're asking about the stimulation of the back of the
head...
Violet4u : In prayer the back of my head becomes stimulated..wanted
answers in the abduction
ThunderK : were you referring to my comments on implants or to Kent's
remarks? ga
Violet4u : experience
ThunderK : Please explain! ga
Violet4u : implants yes
ThunderK : OK. Toney, I'll get to you next...
Violet4u : It becomes warm and i get a surge in my cells the only way
i can explain it
ThunderK : The brain stem controls almost everything our state of
consciousness, waking/sleeping levels our 'attention' to all sensory
input our interpretation of sensory input and our motor functions. We
know from human medical experiments that the external stimulation, as
Kent noted, of certain brain areas can cause 'virtual reality' events
and experiences, not only in a human brain, by the way but apparently
similar effects are seen when brain
areas are stimulated in monkeys and apes. Toney, ga
Toneyterry : We seem to be talking about "hard facts" how can we get
this Brain stimulation activity sort of on the agenda for our
"scientific community" to look at? ga
ThunderK : Again, I've asked this same question repeatedly! And now
that some monies have been promised for
research, this would certainly be a worthwhile area of investigation.
Kent, ga
Phikent : there might be more to this energy phenomenon . Another
thing - the entity, Earth, seems to be
quickening too (increase in base frequency which is measurable at
last). This might account for the appearance of the
ultra-terrestrials - because the whole planet begins to resonate at a
"doorway" threshold.
ThunderK : Maybe that is similar to what I've called a 'wobble'
effect in both the planet and the population! Michael, ga
ISCNIMikeL : The physician in Toronto who's studying effects of
temporal lobe stimulation (forget his name) gets such strong "out of
body" effects etc that he's claiming such stimulation might account
for all perceived experiences of abduction. No aliens. Just
stimulated lobes. ga
(Michael is refering to 'Persingers' work with the 'electrical
stimulation' of certain brain centers via the use of a (helmet) he
had designed for the purpose. His experiements and findings have been
hotly debated ever since. JV)
Toneyterry : !
ThunderK : Would that it were true! However, so far it hasn't proven
to fit all the known reports, so don't get too hopeful about that
theory, or about the 'allergy to electricity' theory, either. Toney,
ga
Toneyterry : But could the electrical discharges of geo-force cause
enough brain activity ? ga
ThunderK : That's the debated point. It's more theory than evidence
right now, though. Yes, Slav, ga
SlavkoM : If memory serves, think I read that Persinger's methodology
was called into question? ga
ThunderK : I'm not sure about the methodology but the parameters were
highly hypothetical, and I recall a number of dissimilarities with
many abduction experiences. Any other comments/questions at this
point? ga
ISCNIMikeL : !
Toneyterry : !
ThunderK : Yes, Michael, ga
ISCNIMikeL : The Learning Channel did a program on abduction a few
nights ago in which a British woman, very smart and not much
committed to the "alien" part of abduction went to see Persinger, got
into his experiment room,
had weird experiences (all shown on TV) came away saying that, while
very interesting, it didn't seem likely to do away with the
strangeness of abduction. ga
ThunderK : Thanks! If anyone has an available tape of that program.
I'd really like to see it. Let me know! Toney, ga
Toneyterry : I think his theories (Persingers) could explain "some"
lights in the sky. But thats about it.ga
ThunderK : Maybe a few other things, too, but certainly not the
physical aftereffects that crop up so often in abduction scenarios.
And of course it doesn't explain the peripheral activity such as crop
circles and animal mutilations. Yes, UFO 11, ga
UFO ll : some one spoke about the neocortex, is the that the outer
layer of the brain? ga
ThunderK : It is a rather recent development, I believe although my
knowledge of brain structure is admittedly limited. Why do you ask?
More, UFO 11? ga
UFO ll : i was reading about it...and i was wondering what i was
reading about. ga
ThunderK : OK. When we consider the fact that all of our perceptions
must be 'processed' by a physical structure like the brain then even
our most spiritual experiences are also similarly processed. So there
must certainly be a question about any intrusions into the part of
the brain that does the processing, wouldn't you think? ga
SlavkoM : ?
ThunderK : Yes, Slav? ga
SlavkoM : I'm not sure processing of perceptions and spiritual
experience are the same. ga
ThunderK : But doesn't every experience have to be processed in order
to be perceived? ga
WhteLotus1 : !
SlavkoM : Sure, but are spiritual experiences processed in same
manner? ga
ThunderK : That's my point if it is an experience, it has to have an
entry into our perceptive field and the brain is, so far as we know,
the only processor. Comment? ga,
SlavkoM : Are we talking about experince as external or internal?
ga
ThunderK : Either. ga
SlavkoM : But source could be different, right? ga
ThunderK : Sure! ...
SlavkoM : Then proicessing might be different. ga
ThunderK : I'm not talking about the source, only about the
processing of the data coming from the event, either internally or
externally. And there are those, both in psychology and physics, who
would tell us that the separation of 'internal' and 'external' events
is illusory, anyway. Yes, WhiteLotus, ga
WhteLotus1 : Are you using the word process in regards to "conceptual
thought"?
ThunderK : In regards to all assimilation of stimulation, whether
external/physical or internal/ psychological / spiritual. We lost
WhiteLotus, so Kent, please ga
Phikent : about these realities. The problem with investigating these
"expanded realities" is that after a certain physical-bound threshold
the investigator can no longer take the notions or "proof" and
"explanation" along with. In fact, upon the return the brain grasps
for straws and imposes screens which filter the limited picture.
ga
ThunderK : Perhaps the brain IS imposing the screens but the other
possibility is that the screens are externally manipulated and
imposed, which I would venture may be closer to what is actually
occurring. Anything further, Kent? ga
Phikent : no ga
ThunderK : OK. To bring us to a point of closure, let's look at a
couple of things. First, the history of human consciousness is one of
continued evolution with some strong evidence for a noticeable change
having occurred within historical time, perhaps as recently as 5000
years ago and all of the related fields of study agree that such
evolution surely continues today. So the idea that we might be the
specific generation(s) to feel the impact of another noticeable shift
in perception is not out of the question. And as always, with a
question of such magnitude we can't afford to examine all the
possibilities to explain and understand it, including any evidence of
external stimulation. For the final class, let's try to forge an
overview of these possibilities especially to consider what effects,
if any, the 'millennial' situation may have on our sense of some
transformative activity. Any final questions or comments? ga
SlavkoM : ?
ThunderK : Yes, Slav, ga
SlavkoM : What do you mean by evolution of consciousness? and shift
in perception? ga
ThunderK : OK, for instance, our historical records provide evidence
that within the past 5000 years the human species developed the
ability to perceive and 'process' the concept of certain colors that
had not been hitherto 'available' to us. And for the most part there
has been a noticeable shift as well in the species' response to its
environment, which has to have become the dominant perception in
order for our overall misuse of the planet's bounty to have occurred.
Yes, Toney? ga
Toneyterry : Yes, a comment/ Why is it the more I learn about this
phen. the less I actually know.? It Just keeps changing. ga
ThunderK : One possibility, the main burden of our education right
now is in 'unlearning' so many of the 'givens' we have accepted but
which now don't serve to explain the realities that have shifted
beneath and around us? ga, Toney?
Toneyterry : Yeah, But could my confusion about the phen. be how
shall I say "Anticipated"? ga
ThunderK : You may be right! Final discussion postings will be
available in the folder by Sunday evening and I REALLY hope that more
of you will jump into the conversation! Thanks to our TA this
evening, for taking care of
business and thanks to you all for coming together and trying to get
at the big questions. If there is nothing further, let's call it a
night.
Course TA : Thanks Karla for a great discussion.
WhteLotus1 : Thank you.
ThunderK : You're very welcome!
Violet4u : must learn to adapt to changing "shift's....Thanx and a
smile....
Phikent : thanks much!
UFO ll : see you karla :)*Goodbye*
Toneyterry : Thank U Karla
EGilson432 : Thank You
ThunderK : I agree completely. Things aren't going to be the same
again, it seems. Bye, all!
SlavkoM : Good night and good show!!!*Goodbye*
Phikent : *goodbye*
Course TA : That was a great discussion. I wanted to comment on
several things, but as TA, can't do so very well. Goodnight Mike.
You'll be hearing from me soon again. Bye!
ISCNIMikeL : Had to step out for a while, but got a log so will
reread everything.
