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the following:
An Online Chat With
Karla Turner
Second series: part
2
(During the chat Karla 's nickname
is: "ThunderK")
Start log. Karla Turner - Class #7 -
Session #2
4-12-95 - 8p.m. CDT ; 6p.m. PDT, 9p.m. EDT
WhteLotus1: Evening all....I have joined the class tonight.
ThunderK: Great!...
Dee777: Good to see you all found this room.
ThunderK: We'll wait a few minutes for others to arrive, and then
start the regular discussion but for now does anyone have comments
about the quotes in the folder? ga
WhteLotus1: Oh my. In my own experience....
ThunderK: Yes? ga
BMosley288: I liked the comment about becoming our own
authorization.
WhteLotus1: I experienced first a blue tube of light then a white
tube of light and then golden...each with their own level of
awareness when I wrote a paper about it in 1988 someone responded to
it with a sharing of Sri Aurobindo
ThunderK: Sorry to interrupt, but please remember the protocol for
turns in commenting...
BMosley288: Woops
WhteLotus1: and according to Sri...the colours each represent
ascending levels of awareness the blue is higher mind...according to
Sri the white is universal overmind and the golden supramental
consciousness. ga
ThunderK: I'll call on you next, Bob, after responding to White
Lotus. I am familiar with your descriptions of the colors and the
relation to awareness but can you relate your comment directly to
something in the quotes? ga
WhteLotus1: well...it only skimmed over them yesterday...
ThunderK: How does this relate to self authorization, for instance?
ga
WhteLotus1: have to think about that specific question. ga
ThunderK: OK! Let us know if you want to add anything later. ga,
Bob.
BMosley288: No comment. You answered it. ga
ThunderK: OK. There are enough of us here to start the session. Hello
to all the recent arrivals and I want to thank you for your excellent
comments in the folder so far. The quote I posted for this session
deals with a spiritual aspect
to the hypothetical human transformation we may be experiencing, and
for tonight let's try to stick to just that aspect of our overall
topic, please. It's tempting to get into other things, I know but
that's what the folder and the final session will do, ok? So, who
wants to start with responses or comments on this: what evidence can
you offer in support of a spiritual aspect to the transformation?
Jon, ga.
NEW SOL: !
JONWIL: The quotes were right on for me - the higher one's
consciousness becomes, the more one realizes that divinity or
self-authorization comes from within.We are not separate from
universal consciousness, we are manifestations of it,one with it.
This is my own personal experience, & evidence enuf' for me that
the transformation
is "spiritual". ga
ThunderK: All right. Do you see this in evidence around us in society
in any specific way? ga
JONWIL: Yes. I see it in how people's attitudes & beliefs seems
to be reflected in their personal circumstances. More & more new
groups also seem to take this point of view. ga
ThunderK: Good point. Linda, ga
NEW SOL: First, I'd like to say that Rio Rita's posts were excellent
concerning social spiritual transformation. There is tons of
evidence. For example, I found it astonishing and wonderful that the
Celestine Prophecy has been on the best seller lists for over a year.
And, there are many books that everyone is reading on NDE's and the
spiritual messages inherent in this experience. Plus, Mack's book is
now mainstream, as well as Mutant Message and dozens more. People
WANT this! ga
UFO ll: ?
ThunderK: Yes, there's lots of literature that is relevant and
popular. White Lotus, can you summarize the thrust or message of this
movement? ga
WhteLotus1: which movement specifically
ThunderK: Or just make your original comment? ga
WhteLotus1: pass
ThunderK: Wait...
NEW SOL: I think that if people are reading this, they are trying,
wanting to spiritually transform themselves.
ThunderK: I should have said the movement to seek info about the
metaphysical. So if you'd like to comment, please go ahead.
Dee777: !
NEW SOL: I agree with JONWIL, that this is an inherently personal
thing, that once you "have" it, you must evolve. Sorry I had to get
that in. ga
ThunderK: Toney, ga
WhteLotus1: seeking info about the metaphysical comes from the
insufficient answers found in other areas such as religion.
Toneyterry: Do you think this new awareness is ,in part, responsible
for our awareness of the abductions and could in some way the
abductions be a corrective measure to STOP the evolution of our
spritual selfs.ga
ThunderK: Yes, I think this *could* be a responsible factor, and that
the abductors could be changing tactics in order to massively
'adjust' the population. Given the nature of many abductee accounts
If we are indeed advancing spiritually, I hope that part of the
change would include our having new perceptions of subtle energies
and some hard science experiments recently have documented the
effects of alien presence on the environmental energy field. ga,
Bob.
(I'd love to know what Karla based that last remark on! It's an
intrigueing comment. Ed. JV)
BMosley288: Is there any evidence that abductees become any more self
sufficient or is it less? ga
ThunderK: Do you mean financially and materially? ga
BMosley288: I mean more self authorized. ga
ThunderK: It varies from person to person, of course but in many
instances there is a 'flowering' of the individual in a number of
ways, and for those abductees their response is one of determination
and growth, not always in the same directions, however. ga, UFO
11
UFO ll: ok. i was just wondering how many of you think that you may
have been abducted????
ThunderK: The question is ok, but the timing is off, UFO 11...
UFO ll: sorry
ThunderK: we're discussing a specific topic for now, and if you
really are interested in those who feel they've been abducted, I'd
suggest posting a message in the Electronic Cafe. ga, Dee
Dee777: I have seen more people study the metaphysical first, then
found aliens second. ga
ThunderK: Do you mean they were drawn to metaphysical subjects and
subsequently discovered an alien activity in their lives? ga
Dee777: Yes! Studying metaphysics gave them more awareness, then
began to see a connection of sorts between what they were studying
and the activities of the aliens. ga
ThunderK: OK, but have you thought about another possibility that the
subliminal knowledge of their experiences might have compelled them
to the study of metaphysics in an effort to understand such events.
ga
Dee777: That is entirely possible. It's like asking, Who came first,
the chicken or the egg. ga
ThunderK: True, but we should remember that our society gives us a
limited perspective within which we can contemplate and 'answer' such
mysteries since the prevalent religious atmosphere does have specific
statements on some things and is silent about others. Linda, ga
ThunderK: Linda? ga
ThunderK: Let's go to White Lotus, then. ga
WhteLotus1: The words "self-authorized" threw me a bit earlier, but
if I understand the meaning then I would say that within my own
experience...the white light was not self-authorized and the golden
light was. ga
ThunderK: Did you feel that after experiencing the golden light that
you had a new perspective and a new sense of inner 'understanding'
that would allow you to make internal decisions in a different way?
ga
WhteLotus1: yes, in part....but it wasn't until a Tibetan Rinpoche
and a Cherokee chieftaness further explained the light, that I had a
greater recognition of what it was. ga
ThunderK: So in those people you found an external authorization
first? ga
WhteLotus1: Perhaps a bit and I don't know how to explain that I felt
"authorized" but without full understanding and there is a
difference. ga
ThunderK: Okay. I think Bob is next, so please ga.
BMosley288: In NDE's there are almost always spiritual advancements,
almost 100%, but not in abductions? Or am I mistaken? ga
ThunderK: No, you're not mistaken. In some cases it seems the trauma
is so great that the person's integrity is shattered often resulting
in degenerative behavior, i.e. drugs, alcohol, promiscuity, etc. but
by and large I see that abductees cope pretty well and they can't
help but become aware of a different sort of spiritual or
metaphysical, which may be a more accurate term, aspect to their
existence. Do you want to add more, Bob? ga
BMosley288: yes, I am having a little trouble getting from a typical
abduction scene to a metaphysical advancement.
Toneyterry: ?
ThunderK: More? ga
BMosley288: NO ga
ThunderK: OK Yes, the fear and trauma of the typical abduction scene
usually takes a toll and takes time to get over but a healthy
individual usually tries to get past the fear since it is inhibitory
to positive actions and when a person realizes that guns and cameras
and security systems won't work against alien intrusions, the usual
next thought is of some inner means of protection and resistance and
the inner world is a part of what we've come to think of as
metaphysical so perhaps you can see my point of reference here. Any
comment? ga
Dee777: RioRita 88 is next.
BMosley288: I want to listen more about this. ga
NEW SOL: !
RioRita 88: Whte lotus you are so fortunate to experience golden
light, as you know the most sublime....
ThunderK: I want Bob to have a chance to finish, and then Jon is
next, according to my list. ga, Jon.
BMosley288: No I'm fine thank you. ga
ThunderK: Jon, ga
JONWIL: I became interested in UFOs first, then discovered it bled
over into metaphysics. I find I can no longer separate the two &
my awareness of the phenom. has actually expanded my consciousness
& sense that I am more than I appear. ga
ThunderK: Just asking could this in part have come from the knowledge
that our current science is unable to deal with the phenom and that
it transcends into an area we could call the para-physical? Implying
that there are natural laws and energies at work but that we haven't
yet mastered the power to recognize and effect them? ga?
UFO ll: ?
JONWIL: Yes, absolutely! Science & "spirituality" are actually
different ends of the same stick. ga
ThunderK: OK! Rio Rita, ga
RioRita 88: of colored lite...also healing influences are in it In re
what your are now discussing sorry my comment is too far back..I know
of a method to stop an abduction...
ThunderK: Is there more? ga
RioRita 88: They are deterred by some cry luch as "Jesus save me" It
has worked and if you think why it means the greys are anti jesus or
well..all they are now saying about them ga
ThunderK: Sorry, but not in all cases. I investigated an abduction in
which the grandmother prayed to Jesus for help and then a
blond-haired 'Jesus beamed into the room and said, in effect, that
the grays were working for him! The abduction proceeded without
interruption. All methods I've heard of for stopping abductions have
proven inconsistent in their effectiveness. Ga, Rita, for your
reply.
Dee777: !
BMosley288: !
RioRita 88: Oh that is an awful story. Those little guys "screen" us
all the time causing illusions ga
ThunderK: Yes, I know they do. Toney, ga, please
Toneyterry: Is this a good time for you to elaborate on the hard
scientific experiments you mentioned earlier? ga
ThunderK: I can relate that a controlled experiment involved
compasses which registered any electromagnetic field fluxuation, and
during reported abductions the compasses did record some inexplicable
fluxuations. That's off the subject, though so let's get back to the
spiritual evidence and its relationship to our awareness of the
abduction phenom. Linda, you're next, so ga
(Ed Note: Karla fails to mention by 'who' or 'when' this experiment
was conducted. JV)
WhteLotus1: ?
NEW SOL: It's my belief (& posted in folder more depth) that
often it is serious emotional/physical trauma including abductions,
heartbreaks, deaths of loved ones, illnesses, catastrophes, etc. and
when we get a chance to begin reflecting on the why in a deeper way,
we move to a spiritual understanding and evolvement. That for me is
the connection between abduction, etc and growth.ga
ThunderK: I completely agree about the effects of trauma! But perhaps
it's not so much the 'why' but a question of 'what do we do now?' The
'why' always seems ineffable, no matter what spiritual path one
follows yet we must continue to live with whatever situation presents
itself and it is in the way we choose to respond to all situations,
especially adversity that our spiritual strength is important. UFO
11, you're next. ga
NEW SOL: Exactly...you're right. I should have said after the "Why
me?", there's the what do I do now, to ok i was saying....up there
feel better. Some will eat too much, or self destruct. But others
choose the higher road.ga
RioRita 88: Tough life experiences just means that good ol' Karma is
kicking back atcha. Nothing more ga
UFO ll: because kodak has been making computers using thought
projection....instead of keybords supposedly like the ETs do it
ThunderK: Why don't you post info on this in the Cafe? We'd all be
interested! Dee, you're next.
UFO ll: ok
Dee777: I was going to reply to Rita about stopping the abductions,
however, I don't have all the information at hand to help at this
time. Perhaps I'll know more next time. ga
ThunderK: Thanks! Bob, ga
RioRita 88: !
BMosley288: I don't know about stopping the abductions, but I believe
you can stop the fear by asking.ga
ThunderK: By asking what? ga
BMosley288: Asking that they do something to relieve the fear in an
abduction scenario. ga
ThunderK: I see and sometimes this has helped, I agree, but not
always. White Lotus, one last comment? Our time is almost over.
WhteLotus1: Are you asking what might be forms of evidence of
spiritual? or asking for reportings of already determined forms of
evidence? ga
ThunderK: I was questioning the evidence we can marshall to promote
the idea of a spiritual awakening generating through society. For the
next class, we will look at the biological implications, for
instance, as there are several aspects to the transformation
question. ga
JPG9: RioRita 88, EGilson432, JONWIL are next, in that order.
ThunderK: Yes, I know. But there should be time for a reply. ga,
White lotus
WhteLotus1: well...knowing that is the question, it would require
some thought. ga
ThunderK: OK. Rio, ga
RioRita 88: Negative emotions like Fear will stifle or just close off
telepathic ability...with the visitors...now evidence of awakening is
in bookstores in abundance wonderful insightful fantastic new books
out these days...not til now. ga
ThunderK: But do we want telepathic connections with them? This
question must be answered first. EGilson, ga
EGilson432: What about angels good and bad through out the ages.
Don't the bad always bring the good? ga
ThunderK: In the sense of a balance of opposites? Does one really
'bring' the other, or is there a coexistence? ga
EGilson432: I guess I am saying the greys may bring good info we
don't understand
ThunderK: That's possible, something worth discussing in its own
right. Jon, please ga and let this be the closing comment after which
I'll say a bit about the folder. Jon, ga
JONWIL: "What we do now" is become more conscious of the choices we
make & observe the results based on our thots/beliefs. Adjust
those, & we change our consciousness. ga
ThunderK: Yes, and in some cases we adjust our thoughts in a
specifically spiritual manner?...
JONWIL: Yes, but also in everyday life.
ThunderK: I think the evidence in general society does show a wide
interest in paraphysical matters which do affect our everyday lives,
certainly and when it comes to interactions with the aliens, we often
find two different spiritual components one which aligns the abductee
with the abductors and one which positions them as opposites but with
the abductee calling up new spiritual insights and ideas as a means
of response for his/her own sake. Our next class will focus on the
biological aspects of species transformation and I'll list a few new
quotes for a starting point. So far, I'm very pleased with the ideas
several of you have contributed to the folder and I'd like to see
responses from each of you before the next session. Till then, I'll
check in frequently to make my own responses! This has been an
excellent session, and I hope you've enjoyed the exchanges as much as
I have. Bye for now!
JONWIL: Thanx Karla - great stimulating class!
WhteLotus1: thanks....and good night.
UFO ll: bye all
Wolflady: Goodnight Karla Thanks for a great class tonight
RioRita 88: I enjoyed my first class and find the comments scrolling
pretty fast!
